Yeah, I saw that this morning and I was like … oh wow, it really has been that long!

Very exciting! I feel like I’ve been hearing about GIMP 3.0 for a decade

I’m looking forward to just all the weird window management stuff being fixed by not having to use X11. For instance, Hunt Showdown currently freezes when you alt tab out of the game and folks have linked that to XWayland kind of but not really minimizing the game in the background.

That sounds likely, at least any time soon. It would be a lot of work to get up to par with the other implementations I’m sure.

Hmm… Interesting how they function with the compositors meant for other desktops. I didn’t know that was going to be a possibility in the Wayland sphere because of how close window management and compositing are in Wayland.

I admit I may misunderstand the situation; I hear there’s a compatibility layer or something named xwayland – will that allow older apps linked against x11 to run on a wayland desktop?

Yeah though older apps on Linux are always a bit sketchy. “We don’t do that here” is kind of a thing… Most stuff is at least regularly rebuilt.

It’s also kind of a weird comparability layer… Like it works really well, but basically they run an X server in the background, and then just paint the windows on the X server to your Wayland desktop and map all the clicks back.

So… X apps get a real X server to run on and then rest of your apps run natively in Wayland which provides a lot of benefits.

In any case, Wayland fixes some stuff it provides more than feature parity. A big one for me is KDE has a composited and non-composited mode on X and they actually have different behaviors. If you launch a game it automatically goes to non-composited mode because how compositors work on X is kind of a mess and it introduces latency that people don’t want in their games. On Wayland it’s always composited mode but it’s designed for that, so you don’t have the drawbacks in terms of performance. So… You can play a game without your desktop suddenly functioning differently and without sacrificing performance in the game.

Do you have a screenshot of what it looks like in 2024 (or I suppose 2025 lol)?

I want it to render things quickly and to support light & dark themes.

Both konsole and alacrity have failed me there.

If it has any window chrome, I want it to look good.

Ghostty … actually does everything I want pretty well, modulo some rendering glitches I attribute to GTK and fractional scaling.

Edit: I do like smooth scrolling, but I can live without it. I’ve used emacs for so long … I’m just used to not having it for walls of text, even though I think slight smooth scrolling majorly improves readability of motion.

Right? I’m so confused about what happened with this word.

Some people got muted in Brighter Shores and people were calling them bans… Like, no… They’re not banned, they’re just muted.

I still get persistent black screen issues going in and out of VRR mode… It’s not as bad on displayport, really bad on hdmi.

Amd 7900 XTX for reference

Well that’s certainly an encouraging thumbnail…

waypipe?

I mean there is waypipe now …

I kinda felt that way about the entire show… Some people really loved that show and I watched it just to know what they were talking about… But for the most part I kept wondering what I was missing.

I watched all of the seasons and ultimately felt like it was a good time passer but not a particularly captivating show.

I’m curious if this improves anything gaming wise as well; with better frame sync and all?

Does anyone have a good enough grasp on this to know if that’s at all relevant?

If that’s your takeaway, you’re way off.

Interesting, I’ll have to check it out.

Well that’s not good… I’ll have to find some other way to keep my phone in sync…

Maybe proton drive’s sync is finally good enough…

Man that’s certainly a strategy…

It might not even be in the kernel next year if Kent doesn’t stop ticking off Linus.